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	<title>Comments on: Iphone &#8211; Don&#8217;t Believe the Hype.</title>
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	<description>if at first you do succeed try not to look astonished</description>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/2008/06/postid-105/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick response to you Emanuele.

1 - I see people here in Australia using video calling alot.

2 - pixel count aside... auto focus alone is a big difference between cameras

3 - yes setting up a Nokia can be a pain I agree :-)

4 - touch is all well and good, but a phone is one handed, end of story.  you have to have really big hands to use a touch with only one hand. Not practical to send an sms whilst downing your morning coffee.

5 - organise your folders better :-)  I do :-) and using the keypad as a short cut tool is very fast to get to any given application

6:- neither phone is pocket size.

7: the only difference between Iphone and iphone 2 is 3g and gps.  big deal... and there are a lot of other touch phones on the market.  Apple design, they do NOT innovate.

8: 250,000 downloads in 4 months, big deal, that does not a developer community make, esp given that there has been a number of updates to the sdk as well.  Sure symbian can be a pain to programme, but so is everything else.  And remember try and run a background task on the iphone if you are not Apple...Not going to happen.  IM Clients, gps logging e.t.c are apps the iphone can&#039;t have unless Apple says so.  Two things I use on my phone all the time.  And Nokia now have widgets as well.   HTML, CSS, Flash, js all wrapped up in a single bundled zip file if you can do a webpage you can build a widget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick response to you Emanuele.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; I see people here in Australia using video calling alot.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; pixel count aside&#8230; auto focus alone is a big difference between cameras</p>
<p>3 &#8211; yes setting up a Nokia can be a pain I agree <img src='http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>4 &#8211; touch is all well and good, but a phone is one handed, end of story.  you have to have really big hands to use a touch with only one hand. Not practical to send an sms whilst downing your morning coffee.</p>
<p>5 &#8211; organise your folders better <img src='http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I do <img src='http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and using the keypad as a short cut tool is very fast to get to any given application</p>
<p>6:- neither phone is pocket size.</p>
<p>7: the only difference between Iphone and iphone 2 is 3g and gps.  big deal&#8230; and there are a lot of other touch phones on the market.  Apple design, they do NOT innovate.</p>
<p>8: 250,000 downloads in 4 months, big deal, that does not a developer community make, esp given that there has been a number of updates to the sdk as well.  Sure symbian can be a pain to programme, but so is everything else.  And remember try and run a background task on the iphone if you are not Apple&#8230;Not going to happen.  IM Clients, gps logging e.t.c are apps the iphone can&#8217;t have unless Apple says so.  Two things I use on my phone all the time.  And Nokia now have widgets as well.   HTML, CSS, Flash, js all wrapped up in a single bundled zip file if you can do a webpage you can build a widget.</p>
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		<title>By: Emanuele Cipolloni</title>
		<link>http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/2008/06/postid-105/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Emanuele Cipolloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No flame war... but  a few points :

1) Video call is pretty much dead everywhere, especially in Europe, after 6 years since the introduction of this capability in available handsets I still have to see anybody using it.

2) Sure 2MP are not comparable to the 5MP of N95, however why pumping up so much pixel count when the lens are just not there, it is a non sense. 2MP are perfectly ok for casual shots and most important the Camera application is way faster and easier to use than the N95 one

3) Settings: why Nokia had to do it in this way I never got it (by the way as I developer I owned every possible S60 device, starting with the 7650, and things went only worse from device to the next), setting a Nokia device is a nightmare for the average user

4) Touch screen is much more intuitive to the average Joe than it is a keypad and a multilevel menu structure like in S60. iPhone may be not perfect for everything but certainly the N95 is not an example of perfection

5) Why the N95 has to be so slooowww? Why having a few applications inside the Application folder take the phone forever to open it up?

6) Even if iPhone is wider than the N95, it is much thinner and a lot of people prefer to have this form factor rather than a brick in their pocket

7) Nokia is not changing much from device to device, keeps releasing basically the same with a few things modified; their innovation skills are long gone. Maybe it is hot air (and it is not, trust me), but should impress anyone that with only one phone model Apple is over shadowing pretty much anything else in the market.

8) And finally, as a developer after 8 years of Symbian/Epoc experience, S60/UIQ3 and so on should burn in hell, they are the most inefficient, un-intuitive and draconian programming system I have used. I simply could not believe what I was able to do using Cocoa Touch in one week, considering that I also had to learn Objective-C. Any developer will confirm that Symbian shoot themselves in the foot with that BS about signing, capabilities and so on. iPhone OS feels solid, mature, fast and feature fill. Would you like to read a contact from the phone book, hell, everything is a SQLLite database, just query for it, not in Symbian: you have a series of poorly documented interfaces, generally asynchronous (so you need to setup observers, calls backs etc etc) that require 2-5 times more code than the Cocoa equivalent. When Steve Jobs was displaying the quotes from people commenting the iPhone SDK, I can confirm that I had exactly the same sensation. XCode and the iPhone SDK are years ahead of anything I have seen coming out from Nokia labs. Nokia has waited until everybody was talking about 3D position sensors in the iPhone before revealing there was one in the N95 (and with a so-so feature set). Just look at the quality of the application coming out from independent developers, even the simpler ones are outstanding; even very simple applications on Symbian requires a deep knowledge of the OS which is really separated from the interface layer, not unlike the iPhone OS and Cocoa Touch.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No flame war&#8230; but  a few points :</p>
<p>1) Video call is pretty much dead everywhere, especially in Europe, after 6 years since the introduction of this capability in available handsets I still have to see anybody using it.</p>
<p>2) Sure 2MP are not comparable to the 5MP of N95, however why pumping up so much pixel count when the lens are just not there, it is a non sense. 2MP are perfectly ok for casual shots and most important the Camera application is way faster and easier to use than the N95 one</p>
<p>3) Settings: why Nokia had to do it in this way I never got it (by the way as I developer I owned every possible S60 device, starting with the 7650, and things went only worse from device to the next), setting a Nokia device is a nightmare for the average user</p>
<p>4) Touch screen is much more intuitive to the average Joe than it is a keypad and a multilevel menu structure like in S60. iPhone may be not perfect for everything but certainly the N95 is not an example of perfection</p>
<p>5) Why the N95 has to be so slooowww? Why having a few applications inside the Application folder take the phone forever to open it up?</p>
<p>6) Even if iPhone is wider than the N95, it is much thinner and a lot of people prefer to have this form factor rather than a brick in their pocket</p>
<p>7) Nokia is not changing much from device to device, keeps releasing basically the same with a few things modified; their innovation skills are long gone. Maybe it is hot air (and it is not, trust me), but should impress anyone that with only one phone model Apple is over shadowing pretty much anything else in the market.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> And finally, as a developer after 8 years of Symbian/Epoc experience, S60/UIQ3 and so on should burn in hell, they are the most inefficient, un-intuitive and draconian programming system I have used. I simply could not believe what I was able to do using Cocoa Touch in one week, considering that I also had to learn Objective-C. Any developer will confirm that Symbian shoot themselves in the foot with that BS about signing, capabilities and so on. iPhone OS feels solid, mature, fast and feature fill. Would you like to read a contact from the phone book, hell, everything is a SQLLite database, just query for it, not in Symbian: you have a series of poorly documented interfaces, generally asynchronous (so you need to setup observers, calls backs etc etc) that require 2-5 times more code than the Cocoa equivalent. When Steve Jobs was displaying the quotes from people commenting the iPhone SDK, I can confirm that I had exactly the same sensation. XCode and the iPhone SDK are years ahead of anything I have seen coming out from Nokia labs. Nokia has waited until everybody was talking about 3D position sensors in the iPhone before revealing there was one in the N95 (and with a so-so feature set). Just look at the quality of the application coming out from independent developers, even the simpler ones are outstanding; even very simple applications on Symbian requires a deep knowledge of the OS which is really separated from the interface layer, not unlike the iPhone OS and Cocoa Touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Janousek</title>
		<link>http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/2008/06/postid-105/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Janousek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would someone flame you? A lot of what you say is true here ... 

Apple is really *really* good at both hype &amp; spin ... sad fact is that a lot of media doesn&#039;t know any better when reporting on mobile. 

What do you expect from &quot;PC&quot; magazine? :)
 
-sj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would someone flame you? A lot of what you say is true here &#8230; </p>
<p>Apple is really *really* good at both hype &amp; spin &#8230; sad fact is that a lot of media doesn&#8217;t know any better when reporting on mobile. </p>
<p>What do you expect from &#8220;PC&#8221; magazine? <img src='http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-sj</p>
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